Alexander Gorshkov:  
                  «YOU ARE NOT JEALOUS IF YOU ARE CONFIDENT»   | 
              
            
              
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                Photo © Victor Velikzhanin   
                1976. Ludmila Pakhomova and Alexander Gorshkov  | 
               
             
            Alexander   Gorshkov. Born October 8th, 1946 in Moscow. Competed in ice dance with Ludmila   Pakhomova from 1966 to 1976. USSR Honored Master of Sportrs. Six times European   champion, six times World Champion, 1976 Olympic champion. Member of World   Figure Skating Hall of Fame. ISU Ice Dance Technical Committee chairman since   1998. Married, and has a daughter.  
            The way people loved   Ludmila Pakhomova and Alexander Gorshkov 30 years ago couldn't be compared to   anything. It's not even about them winning the first ever Olympic ice dance gold   in 1976. For the whole country, they represented an unachievable, mysterious and   beautiful life - fantastic music, costumes, ability to dance elegantly, winning   new titles year after year. With all that, Pakhomova and Gorshkov were   constantly surrounded by air of unbelievalby pure human relationship, dignity,   and none of backstabbing that is so common in sport, particularly in skating.  
            10 years after their retirerement from skating, Ludmila was gone. She   died from cancer in 1986. 
            Gorshkov was in the skating scene, but he was   in the shadows. He didn't participate in society events, he didn't try to turn   attention to himself. Somehow, the qualites that set Gorshkov the athlete apart,   appeared in his new life - patience, insistence, ability to reach his goals and   still, the human decency and modesty. In 1998, the Olympic champion became the   first Russian to head the ISU Technical committee.  
            Gorshkov turned 60 on   October 8th. When I came to interview him before this date, I saw the eyes of a   happy person and in my head, I couldn't connect it to the serious number 60.  
            - We are used to think that people are thinking about their lives   before they turned a big - 0 number. What are you thoughts? 
            - I won't say   anything new. We all see that with every year, the time goes faster. Before,   everything took longer. Now it's like you are looking at the blinking lightes in   the subway's tunnel. The further we get, the faster time flies. I don't remember   who said it - the bad part is not us getting old, it's our soul staying young.  
            - In other words, you don't feel your age?  
            - You start taking your   age as the reality when you feel that your physical abilites become more limited   - you can't do everything you did 10 or 20 years ago. You are pushed to think -   will my life be as interesting? As for work, my life rhythm haven't changed in   10 years. It's time to think about retirement, and I wasn't even asking what is   the retirement age in our country. For me, it's completely abstract. I can't   imagine how I could be done with work, skating, and the daily schedule. I know   that some start growing roses, for example, when they retire. This is not for   me.  
            - Does it mean your job is very interesting? 
            - I think I'm   lucky that I got the chance to do something that I fell in love with and still   love. Although, I do it in a bit different quality now. 
            - That's what I'm   saying. In the world of sports, athletes and coaches are very respected, but the   officers are looked down upon a bit. You represent the latter. 
            - Of course,   the athletes and coaches are the main mechanism. In my time, the word «officers»   meant all of them were people from the outside who never got higher than Degree   III, but came to manage us. I have a different situation. I came from the sport   and I've been working since my competitive career was over. At one time, I was   called a State Coach, then the Head Coach, even though I never had anything to   do with the coaching job.  
            - You didn't want it or it didn't work   out? 
            - When Mila and I stopped performing, naturally we stated to thinking   what to do next. Mila always liked coaching and that's what she started to do.   We never talked about working together. We saw too many families when both   husband and wife coahced and I can't say we were inspired by their example.  
            When we came to then Sports Commitee Chairman Sergei Pavlov and told him   we won't compete anymore, he immediately offered me a job at State Sports   Committee. I took it. That's how my post-sport career started. 
            - Did you   have other offers? 
            - Yes, but it's not in my nature to try looking for the   greener pastures, especially since I've already gave my word. Maybe this is not   the best quality, but that's how I am. Almost immediately, I was appointed the   Jr. Team's head coach, and later - USSR sr. team head coach, and at the same   time, I started judging competition. 22 years ago, I was elected to ISU   technical commitee for the first time. I won't hide it - I wanted to get there   very much.  
            - Why? 
            - When I was competing, the skaters held ISU in   such respect. Technical committees deinfed the development policy of their   disciplines. For example, Laurence Demi from England was heading ice dance tech   committee and sometimes he would come down to Earth, to us - that's how we saw   it. He would come to skaters and coaches, explain some things, voice some   opinions. I can't say I wanted to be like him, but then I started to understand   that tech committee is the «kitchen» of figure skating.  
            After being on   tech committee for 14 years, I took Demi's place. This is my third term. I can   say that the chairman's job takes more time and effort than from a regular   committee member, especially now. 
            My predecessor and friend, Austrian   Hans Kuchera, headed the Committee for three terms in a row as well. During his   time, there were no big changes, maybe the number of compulsory dances at the   official events were cut and several new dances were introduced. I got right   into hot spot with all the changes.  
            - Were you terrified, at least   initially, by Ottavio Chinquanta, a new ISU President's   initiatives? 
            - Overall, it was logical. If you remember, there were talks   after '98 Games about taking the ice dance out of Olympics. After the SLC   judging scandal that resulted to awarding two sets of gold medals in pairs,   everyone started screaming tha not only ice dance, figure skating has to go.   That's why this solution came up. It's not about new judging system only.   Cinquanta offered a different approach to the whole sport. I have to say that   skaters and coached adjusted to his ideas earlier than the judges.  
            - You   always held the reputation of compltely conflict-free person. I think figure   skating is not an environment where people are like to have conflictfree and   even friendly relationship.  
            - I wouldn't say that. Naturally, there is   tension when you are talking about high results. It could end up with arguments   and figthing, but it's working moments, not defining moments. It depends   on the people. I have many friends among coaches, and people who I competed   against, and people who were on the team with me. If it didn't work out with   someone, I don't remember them.  
            In most cases, the relationship betwen   rivals is made intense from the outside to create the intrigue. I don't think   Evgeni Plushenko and Alexei Yagudin didn't like each other as strong as the   newspapers used to write about when they competed. Each of them was just doing   his job.  
            It was always like that in sport. I'll tell you sincerely that   it wasn't easy for Mila and me in 1975. By that time, it looked like we were   done with all foreign rivals, but here come Irina Moiseeva and Andrei Minenkov.   Moreover, they came so close at Europens. They skated great free dance and they   were wonderfully greeted. It was upseting to share popularity, but it was our   fault since we became less interesting that season. It silly to be upset with   the competitors. Upset feelings are not the best advisor especially when you   compete on ice and not the backstage.  
            That was the first time when I   thought that most of us are not likely to view the rival from the achievement   point of view. It's much easier to allow yourself to be annoyed and then it'll   transform in jealousy. I realized than that you can clearly evaluate the other   person achievements only when you are confident and have a feeling of   self-esteem.  
            - Just like Alexei Yagudin evaluated Plushenko's victory in   Torino, calling it exceptional in one of his interviews? 
            - Exactly. If   Yagudin's victory in SLC wasn't as great and if he felt upset, unsatisfied, or   have some similar feelings after he left the sport, it would've been hard for   him to say something like that and to say it so sincerely.  
            - I think   Olympic champions are likely to have enough self-esteem. Any way you look, you   won't earn more fame in other fields, just because there is no other profession,   except sport, where you could officially become the best in the World.  
            - I   agree, but at the same time it sets some bar for everything you do afer sport.   You want to stay on the level and you try hard. I'm not an exception. Being   elected ISU Tech committee chairman three times in a row shows it. I don't think   people vote for me only because I, Sasha Gorshkov, was ice dance Olympic   champion once.  
            - Does the title help or does it make your life   difficult? 
            - It was making it difficult at first. The total admiration and   world-wide fame relax you a lot. To some degree, you lose the ability to fight   and make your way to the top. You start believing that everyone loves you and   that is how it'll always be. Suddenly, you notice that not everybody loves you,   and some want to step all over you, and you reputation is shrinking. You start   fighting for it again and it could be much harder than in sport.  
            - Did   you ever regret that at your time there were no bonuses or opportunites that   the skaters have now? 
            - If I say no, nobody will believe me. I like to joke   that during the time we competed, Mila and I earned the huge number of crystal   vases and there is a good thing about it - when you are going to a birthday   party, you don't have to think about the gifts. Now you don't have to be an   Olympic champion to get a completely different money, but these thoughts usually   come to your head when there are financial difficulties and you start thinking   about where you could get the money.  
            - Were you ever realyl in need?  
            - I always had a pretty well-paid job. Of course, there was situations in   life, like when Mila got very sick. She needed expensive medicine and my salary   was enough for one week. So, we had to sell some things that we earned before to   make it through.  
            Sometimes I think about how our life would be if Mila   and I competed now. I have no answer. I think the morals are seriosly lost their   values. The biggest thing is to steal. The form of entertainment is to make fake   medication and buy islands and villas with the money earned from it. I can't   call it anything else but morals degrading. We had different rules in life. Of   course, we wanted to have something and go somewhere, but when you have too   much, you stop understanding what's really important and that's money is not   everything.  
            - About the money. After Torino Games, there was a row of   interviews where skaters who became the champions said that they are ready to   stay in the competition only if they get a decent compensation from RFSF. At the   same time, I know that they and their coaches, in addition to President's   Stipend, recieved and keep receiving pretty large grants. Nobody limits their   ability to perform in shows. So, is it a blackmail or the skaters expenses are   not comparable with their earnings?  
            - I don't know who makes what because   the skaters make so much in the shows, it's impossible to track. The eligibility   rules are very liberal in that aspect. To lose the eligible status, you have to   have a big disagreement with your own federation and international federation as   well.  
            On the other hand, if skater says he is done competing, he has the   right to live how he wants. Everybody decides for himself. Mila and I left   because we were just tired. We won the Worlds six times and encountered an   uneasy situation. When you are going for the title, you compete with others. When   you won, you start competing with yourself. You have to constantly remember that   today, you have to be better than yesterday or a year ago - in music, programs,   condition, mood, because nobody will forgive you a step back.  
            These   thought exhaust you. The moment comes and you understand that mental and   physical effort is not worthy of the result.  
            - Denis Pankratov,   two-time Olympic champion in swimming said something like that couple of years   ago. When he touched the wall first at Atlanta Games, he realized that this moment   wasn't worth of all previous years of sacrifice and suffering. What did you feel   in Insbruk?  
            - We felt about the same. We waited for so long for dance to   be included in the Olympics, and when the wait was over, the problems started.  
            - Do you mean your 1975 surgery?  
            - That too. Nobody thought it   would end up so difficult. Even the surgeon couldn't explain the cause of the   illness. First, there was a hole in the pleura, and when we were flying from the   Europeans, through Helsinki to Moscow, I turned when I was on the plane, and the   branch of pulmonary artery broke. It hurt so much, I couldn't sit in the bus   that took us from the plane to the terminal. I was standing on my toes,   squatting when the bus hit a bump.  
            At first, everyone decided I had   myositis because it was cold somewhere. They recommended to go home and take a   hot bath, and that's what I did. In 30 second, my vision got blurry. Somehow, I   crawled to bed and lost the consciousness. 
            Next day, one of team doctros   came to me. He was considered an expert on myositis. He put the tiger ointment   on my back, put the pillow on it, and pressed it so hard, I felt like a hot iron   was on my back. Then the doctor said, «Get up fast, and bend several times». I   got up, bended, and fell. The doctor left. Next day, the others came to do the   EKG. So, I made it to the hospital on the day three and went under the knife   right away.  
            - Why didn't you turn to experts right away? 
            - I was   afraid. All of us are crazy. I thought that if I won't be able to go to Colorado   Springs Worlds, our participation in Olympics will be questionable. I can't say   I was hiding my condition much, but I didn't advertize it.  
            - How did you   manage to recover for the Games?  
            - We were going to compete at the Worlds   despite the surgery. I started training in the hospital right after I came out   of anestethia. I tried to get up right away. It was very important to find out   fast what was cut from the inside of me and whether I'll be able to move after   it. So, in a day, after persistant threats I was moved from intensive care to   regular floor. In six weeks, Mila and I went to the USA. We found a place to   practice - a separate rink at the US Air Force Academy sports complex, so nobody   would see me. For the international community, we had a legend - I came to the   Worlds right after the bad flu.  
            Later, I thought about it many times. If   the Worlds were held anywhere else, we would've been able to compete. The   altitude in Coloardo Springs is more than 2,000 meters. Healthy athletes can't   always take it. Add in the time difference. I had enough for half a program at   the first practice, and I couldn't skate it to the end. So, I had to deal with   the fact that I wouldn't be able to compete, especially since Mosieeva/Minenkov   were able to replace us.  
            - In other words, you gave those skaters the   chance to beceme the World champions in your absense?  
            - It just happened.   Thanks to Anna Sinilkina, then RFSF president, for making a deal for us to   participate in the exhibition and later go on tour in USA for a month. By the   end of the tour we were almost back in shape. Later, there was one more tour of   Siberia and there I felt completely confident. It was very important   psychologically.  
            - After you and Pakhomova left the sport in 1976, did   you ever wanted to return?  
            - Of course. Making a decision to stop skating   is not easy for any active athlete along with the fact that you are going into   nowhere straight from the top. When we say that fame is a burden, we are being   coquetish to say the list. I watched our great athletes for many years and I   can't say that any one of them was really burdened by it. In any case, when it's   suddenly of your shoulders, you start missing it very quick.  
            Something   else is really hard - knowing that afer you are done with your career, you'll   have to catch up with people your age, those who studied, got professions, and   won certain position in life while you trained and climbed to the podium. You   have to start from zero. The most hurtful is watching the competition and not   participating. Sometimes you have this feeling for five - six years. 
            -   Did you loose ground as Russian representaive at the international arena when   all top skaters left the sport now? In a sense, in one shot there was nothing   left.  
            - This happened in figure skating history severa times and not only   with us. Remeber GDR, USA. How many medals skaters from these countries took at   the Worlds before and what is happening now? I don't want to talk about all the   disciplines, but in ice dance Russia had just as serious problems during the   last two four-year cycles. Didn't we solve it? So, I wouldn't make a tragedy out   of it. Moreover, none of the best Russian skaters made the final   decision. 
            - What would you wish for yourself on your 60th   birthday? 
            - You see... I can only enjoy the life if I can live it to the   fullest, like it was during all those years and I want to have this chance as   long as possible. 
            
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